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12 years 1 week ago #548 by msaqib2
As-Salaamu AlaiKum,

I came across a hadith from Bukhari.. and i wanted to know how to reconcile between acting on the end part of this hadith and betwen the many other aḥadīth about muslim unity and sticking to the Jamaat and not leaving the Jamaat (not even by a little bit).

The Hadith is;

Narrated by Abū-Sa'id al-Khud'ri (radi'allahu anhu) that,

Somebody asked, "O Messenger of Allah! Who is the best among the people?"

Allahs' Messenger sal'allahu alaihi wa sallam, replied,
"A believer who strives his utmost in Allahs' cause with his life and property."

They asked, "Who is next?"

He (sal'allahu alaihi wa sallam) replied,
"A believer who stays in one of the mountain valleys worshipping Allah and leaving the people secure from his mischief."

Reported by Bukhari.


There are some believers who might want to avoid causing harm to the muslims and feel that it is better if they move away from the fitnah or anything that can irritate them and cause them to 'lash-out' or use 'foul language' or express 'bad manners', etc.
Avoiding people would ensure that they can't be unpleasant to anyone (especially any other believer).

But this may mean that they move away from the single united jamaat of the muslims... and loosing out on seeking knowledge (which is required before acts of worship can be performed)... and possibly other issues, so should he still move to somewhere where he can worship Allah and where he can leave the people 'secure from his mischief'?

How would we reconcile between this hadith and the many others about sticking to the single united body of the muslim (the Jamaah)?

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12 years 3 days ago #555 by moosaa.richardson
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wa 'alaykumus-salāmu wa rahmatullaahi wa barakaatuh.

I wanted to answer your question but I was not able to log in. So I posted something on the topic on ST:

www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=10&Topic=7372

Hope it helps.

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Since the question originally was posed here, I have copied it to this thread from the good site, www.salafitalk.net

I came across a hadith from Bukhari.. and i wanted to know how to reconcile between acting on the end part of this hadith and betwen the many other aḥadīth about muslim unity and sticking to the Jamaat and not leaving the Jamaat (not even by a little bit).

The Hadith is:

Narrated by Abū-Sa'id al-Khud'ri (radi'allahu anhu) that somebody asked, "O Messenger of Allah! Who is the best among the people?"

Allah's Messenger sal'allahu alaihi wa sallam, replied, "A believer who strives his utmost in Allahs' cause with his life and property." They asked, "Who is next?"

He (sal'allahu alaihi wa sallam) replied, "A believer who stays in one of the mountain valleys worshipping Allah and leaving the people secure from his mischief."
Reported by Bukhari.

There are some believers who might want to avoid causing harm to the muslims and feel that it is better if they move away from the fitnah or anything that can irritate them and cause them to 'lash-out' or use 'foul language' or express 'bad manners', etc.

Avoiding people would ensure that they can't be unpleasant to anyone (especially any other believer).

But this may mean that they move away from the single united jamaat of the muslims... and loosing out on seeking knowledge (which is required before acts of worship can be performed)... and possibly other issues, so should he still move to somewhere where he can worship Allah and where he can leave the people 'secure from his mischief'?

How would we reconcile between this hadith and the many others about sticking to the single united body of the muslim (the Jamaah)?





The scholars mention that the texts of this issue are to be understood to be relative to two different scenarios:

[1] When (at least some of) the people can be taught and corrected and the person facing their harms brings them benefit, while the harms he faces are bearable. In this case, he remains patient and stays with the people, bearing their harms and trying to guide them and correct them.

[2] When the people have gone so astray that they do not benefit at all from reminders and admonitions, while they harm or even kill those who advise them, or force them to change their correct positions and follow falsehood. Basically: when fitnah has OVERTAKEN them (not just in the presence of some fitnah).

One can add to this second category when a person himself is very harmful to the people and not helpful, so his presence leads to excessive harm, killing, spread of deviance and disobedience, etc. It is better for him to stay away from the people and save them from his harm. And if a person had the sincerity to recognize that he is excessively harmful to the people and stay away from them, there is a great reward for him. However, this is after he has exhausted all ways of reforming himself so that he will not harm the people.

An example would be someone who habitually spreads rumors or lies, tries to turn the people against their scholars or leaders, or invites them to acts of disobedience with him often. Such a person must fear Allaah and make tawbah, seeking His Assistance, and then seeking advice and assistance from His helpful servants, taking all steps to replace his harmful behavior with good constructive behavior. Then there would be no need to abandon the people. ONE MUST NOT BE HASTY IN JUDGING HIMSELF THAT HE MUST STAY AWAY FROM THE PEOPLE! It could be Shaytaan's plan to lead him away from the people who could help in correcting his problems! He must consult those known for their knowledge and sincerity before believing that staying away from the Muslims is for him.

So the texts that praise someone who abandons the people (the story of Ibrāhīm, the people of the cave in Sūrah al-Kahf, the ḥadīth mentioned by the questioner and similar narrations) are specific to the second scenario, and not the general way of the Muslim in his interactions.

And the texts that praise patient people who teach, advise, and rectify are for the first scenario, while the Muslims all remain together physically. This is the more common case in general and in our time (in my opinion).

So here are some words from one of the best of the people of knowledge, one who bore the people's harms for decades, struggled in the path of da'wah with a lifelong jihaad full of advice, rectification, guidance, and patience - one whose death still brings tears to eyes all over the world - al-Imām ar-Rabbaanee, the great jurist and exemplary scholar: Shaykh Muhammad ibn Ṣāliḥ al-'Uthaymīn - may Allaah have Mercy on him - :

Know that the best situation for the believer is to mix with the people and bear their harms patiently. Such a person is better than the believer who does not mix with the people or bear their harms.

However, in some cases staying away from the people is better than mixing with them. For example, when a man fears fitnah for himself, like when someone lives in a land where the people require him to deviate from his religion or invite to religious deviance. Or he may see such a great amount of disobedience there and fear that he himself my give in to some illicit behavior or other bad things. In such a case, staying away from the people is better for him.

For this reason people have been ordered to make hijrah from the lands of polytheism to the lands of Islām, and from the lands of disobedience to the lands of obedience.

Similarly is the case when the people in a certain time have changed (for the worse). About such a case, it is authentically reported from the Prophet (ṣallallāhu 'alayhe wa sallam) that he said, "There is about to be a time when the best property a man can own will be some sheep that he watches over in the mountain passes and pastures, fleeing from fitan (trials) to keep his religion intact."

So this is the way to understand the issue categorically - Staying away from the people is better when there is evil and fitnah in mixing with them. Otherwise, the base ruling is that it is better to mix with the people, ordering them with good, forbidding them from evil, calling them to the truth, and teaching the people the Sunnah. This is better.

However, if he is unable to patient when fitnah has become plentiful, then staying away is better, even if he was to worship Allaah by himself at a mountain top or in the crevice of a valley somewhere.




Source: The shaykh's explanation of Riyaadh as-Ṣāliḥeen (3/509-510, Madaar al-Watan printing, 1425)

And Allaah knows best.


And you may know an example of someone who has left the company of the Muslims, claiming that he wants to save them from his harm, yet he mixes with the disbelievers and indulges himself in their lifestyle, befriending them with good manners and keeping good ties with them, in a way that he claims he is incapable of doing around the Muslims!!

Such a person is not praiseworthy at all, since he has not kept away from the people to save them from his harm, he has only lied to himself about his own disobedience and confused himself to the point that he just mixes with other people who will never help him rectify his issues.
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