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The following was posted on salafitalk.net www.salafitalk.net/st/viewmessages.cfm?Forum=9&Topic=7798 by our brother, Abdulillaah Lahmami from Madeenah, KSA. It contains his discussions with various mashaayikh concerning this issue.

Refuting the false principle of 'Ali Ḥasan regarding getting closer to the innovators due to a benefit

Sheikh Rabee' ibn Haadi al-Madkhali advised to translate refutations against some of these incorrect principles that 'Ali Ḥasan has been calling to so that the Muslims do not fall into them due to the doubts been mentioned.
Sheikh Rabee' stressed that these doubts are dangerous in that they attack the methodology of the pious predecessors in how they used to not mix with the innovators and refute them.
Sheikh 'Ubayd al-Jābirī, Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi and Sheikh Abdullah al-Bukhaari also showed the seriousness of these latest mistakes of 'Ali Ḥasan.

Sheikh 'Ubayd al-Jābirī advised also to translate what is sufficient for the people to be aware of these errors so that they do not fall into them.

Doubt number 1
'Ali Ḥasan al-Halabi said in his book "Menhaj as-Salafus Ṣāliḥ fi Tarjeeh al-Masaalih" p.16 regarding the fundamentals of refuting:
"What will these individuals reply, may Allaah guide them regarding the situation of visiting (innovators), to what was reported by Khateeb (Baghdaadi) in his (Tareekh 10/262) and it seems this is the reason for their fitnahý
On the authority of Ya'qoob ibn Yusuf al-Mutdawi' who said "'Abdulrahman ibn Ṣāliḥ al-Azdi who was a Raafidi and he used to visit Imam Ahmed, and he (Imam Ahmed) would bring him closer to himself so it was said, "O Aba 'Abdillah, 'Abdulrahman ibn Ṣāliḥ al-Azdi is a Raafidi?!
So Imam Ahmed said, "subhanallaah, he is a man who loved the family of the Prophet, shall we say to him don't love him! He is thiqa (trustworthy in narrating)."
'Ali Ḥasan said commenting on this in the endnotes, "even though it was known that Imam Ahmed bin Hanbal rahmahullaah refused Dawood adh-Dhaahiree to enter upon him (due to his position with regards the Qur'an being created)." Tareekh Baghdad (8/373) in a report that many quote without a good understanding but times have changed and one must look at the benefits and harms and they are two important principles which many are unaware of who are energetic upon futile matters."

The actual complete story between Imam Ahmed and 'Abdulrahman ibn Ṣāliḥ al-Azdi, the Raafidi is narrated fully in as-Sunnah of al-Khallal vol.1 p.501 and it is not as 'Ali Ḥasan portrayed:
Abū Bakr al-Marwazi said that I heard Aba 'Abdillaah (Imam Ahmed), there are a people who write these lowly aḥadīth concerning the companions of the Messenger of Allaah, and it is reported that you do not reject that the one who reports these narrations to be from the people of ḥadīth. So he became angry and refuted this strongly and said "this is futile! We seek refuge in Allaah, I don't refute this! Even if this was regarding the lowliest of people then I would have refuted it so how is it then if it was concerning the companions of the Messenger ṣallallāhu 'alaihi wa sallam! Then he said "I don't write these aḥadīth." I said, "O Aba 'Abdillaah (Imam Ahmed), if you come to know of one who writes these lowly aḥadīth should he be boycotted?" He said "Yes, the one who narrates these lowly aḥadīth deserves to be stoned."

Abū 'Abdillaah (Imam Ahmed) said "'Abdulrahman came to me and I asked him: do you narrate these aḥadīth?" 'Abdulrahman said "so and so narrated it and so and so narrated it." So I tried to have gentleness with him(to advise him such that he leaves his misguidance) but he continued using as proof that so and so narrated these so when I saw him afterwards I turned away from him and did not speak to him.".

1. Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi said that Imam Ahmed initially didn't know that Abdulrahman ibn Ṣāliḥ was a Raafidi (since he spoke about 'Uthman and Mu'awiyyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with them)) because he showed his love for the Prophet's family initially and spoke well of Abū Bakr and 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them). However, when it became known to Imam Ahmed that he was spreading these narrations against the companions, Imam Ahmed turned away from him and didn't speak to him.

2. Sheikh 'Ubayd al-Jābirī said that Imam Ahmed's position towards 'Abdulrahman ibn Ṣāliḥ is his same position towards Dawood adh-Dhaahiree so 'Ali Ḥasan is mistaken in trying to separate the two incidents.

3. Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadimentioned that 'Ali Ḥasan is mistaken to use an incomplete story regarding Imam Ahmed's position to allow one to come closer to the innovators in the name of benefit (maslaha) as this opens doors to much evil.

4. Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi said, "Ali Ḥasan came to my house and I quoted to him the full story from as-Sunnah of al-Khallal so he knew of the boycott of Imam Ahmed regarding 'Abdulrahman ibn Ṣāliḥ so why is he misquoting when I already advised him regarding this before he printed this book."

5. Sheikh Abdullah al-Bukhaari said that Ali Ḥasan's book should not be called Menhaj as-Salaf but rather Menhaj al-khalaf regarding the opposition in it to the methodology of the Sallaf.

6. Sheikh Ubayd al-Jābirī said that these doubts concerning the allowance of visiting and mixing with the innovators in the name of maslaha (overall benefit) will open doors to many to mix with the innovators (and sign pledges of mutual cooperation as we have seen in the name of maslaha).

7. Sheikh Muhammad ibn Haadi mentioned that these errors are clearly the reason for Ali Ḥasan's defence for cooperating with 'Abdulrahman Abdulkhaaliq's Ihyaa Turath, Abūl Ḥasan al-Misree, Maghrawi, Adnan 'Urur, Muhammad Hassan and others who have refuted by the scholars and until today have not retracted their errors.


After reading these points, it is important for the Salafiyyeen in Toronto to be mindful of the following:

- When the corrections of Shaykh 'Ubayd al-Jābirī were presented regarding some of the statements of Shaykh 'Alee, it was not befitting for anyone to raise his voice over the Scholars and suggest that this is 'fitnah', 'a private matter', 'should not be distributed' etc. Rather disseminating the verdicts of the scholars is praiseworthy, an honourable deed. Indeed the correction by our Shaykh, 'Ubayd al-Jābirī is al-Manhaj as-Salafī, and our scholars are vigorous in defending the Sunnah from falsehood, if they weren't, we would be left in darkness, not knowing truth from falsehood.

- If a person is unclear about an affair, at minimum he should be silent, awaiting clarification, not offering his/her opinions to the common folk (whilst having no connection to the scholars/or their senior students), he is only harming himself and others by passing on his opinions, in this case, it became clear shortly after that many of the mashaayikh have had critical comments to make on the situation of Shaykh 'Alee, so now the one has spoken incorrectly or hastily in this affair has to retract his statement, make tawbah from it and follow up all those who may have been misled by this. All this could be avoided if the general folk would not critique the comments of the scholars.

- We, as Muslim needs to close off the avenues to fitnah and confusion, we can do this easily by not partaking in the coffee shop gossip, by being careful who we spend our time with and gather our opinions from, leaving off the folly on the various blogs without benefit and being protective of our 'Aqīdah, sticking to the statements of the scholars, not elevating the opinions of those less than them.

- Be cautious of being infatuated with individuals, love people for the sake of Allaah alone for one day you may have to leave them, during the 90's many fell astray from the path of the Scholars due to their inability to leave the likes of Abū Muslimah or Abū Usaamah when their affairs became clear, instead of accepting the refutations of the scholars, they clung firmly to their beloved ones, rejecting the truth, making excuse upon excuse for them due to their deep love for them, misplaced loyalties that brought about rejection of the truth and destruction of the individual. Likewise now, in this situation, some have claimed 'this is not a refutation, it is only advice' or 'how do we know Shaykh Alee said this anyway?' and then when more 'Ulamāʾ and mashaayikh came out in criticism for Shaykh Alee those arguments didn't stand so they shifted to criticising the scholars such as Shaykh 'Ubayd and Shaykh Rabee' then the Salafī organisations in the West (like TROID), slowly revealing their colours, exposing the poison that has tainted the water stream. One year upon clarity, the next, upon confusion and delusion all due to making the wrong choices with ones affiliation, time, and avenues to knowledge and information.

- Many of the arguments are a carbon-copy of the rhetoric emanating from QSS, so when Shaykh Rabee' spoke about 'Abdul-Mun'im they said, 'a student from the West lied to Shaykh Rabee'', so when Shaykh Rabee' clarified this by telelink, they presented some general praise and advice of Shaykh 'Abdul-Muhsin al-'Abbaad, so then after this they began to criticise Shaykh Rabee', saying he has 'sugar' he is 'an old man', that he is 'A shaykh but not a scholar' even saying these things inside this beloved masjid in private with the youth. Relentlessly showing bigoted hizbiyyah at all costs, ready to die with their leader rather than follow the noble Scholars. So the approach, the arguments, the rhetoric is reminiscent of this, those who took to ignore the criticisms of the Scholars upon Abūl-Ḥasan al-Ma'ribee, Abū Usaamah, Abdul-Munim al-Leebee, QSS etc. So it is obvious were the roots of any confusion lie.

In summary, take care of your deen, protect your 'Aqīdah, it is precious! Do not allow any bigotry, partisanship, personal disagreement, envy or any other dispraise-worthy attribute detract you from the truth. This deen is clear! The Qur'aan, the Sunnah, the Salaafus-Ṣāliḥ then those 'Ulamāʾ who followed them in succession, there is no need to love/defend someone to the point of ruin, where is the love for the Scholars, the Inheritors of the Prophets? They have more right to be followed and loved. We ask Allaah to guide the Muslims, to protect them from corruption and make us of those whose hearts are always open to truth and correction, Ameen.
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JazakAllaah khayr akhee. This is a very good advice and one of the best I've read in a while.

When the corrections of Shaykh 'Ubayd al-Jābirī were presented regarding some of the statements of Shaykh 'Alee, it was not befitting for anyone to raise his voice over the Scholars and suggest that this is 'fitnah', 'a private matter', 'should not be distributed' etc.


Particularly because ShaykhUbayd hafidhahullahgave a detailed reply and mentioned proofs from Qur'an, Sunnah & statements of Salaf for criticizing Shaykh Alee Ḥasan may Allaah guide him and us.

We, as Muslim needs to close off the avenues to fitnah and confusion, we can do this easily by not partaking in the coffee shop gossip, by being careful who we spend our time with and gather our opinions from, leaving off the folly on the various blogs without benefit and being protective of our 'Aqīdah, sticking to the statements of the scholars, not elevating the opinions of those less than them.


It's reported that Rasoolullah ṣallallāhu alayhi wa sallam said, "Love the one whom you love to a certain degree (moderately), perhaps one day he will be someone for whom you have hatred, and hate the one for whom you have hatred to a certain degree (moderately), perhaps one day he will be one whom you love."(Sunnan at-Tirmidhi (no. 1997)). I don't know what the other Muhadditheen have said about the isnaad of this ḥadīth. But to the best of my knowledge, the meaning and message of this ḥadīth is correct.

And as it is said "The Truth is more beloved to the Believer and has more right to be defended" and Men are known by the Truth but the Truth is not known by men.

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Bismillaah, al-Hamdulillaah, was-ṣalātu was-salām ‘alaa rasoolillaah,

It has appeared in recent times, the spread of the principles of Ma’ribee, Ar’oor, Muhammad Hassan, Huwaynee, Maghraawee etc. Interestingly, these traits did not appear two years, three years or five years ago amongst many of the youth when these fitan were at a peak. Rather, you find these corrupt principles in manhaj and da’wah during more recent times. So perhaps the fitnah of Ar’oor came and went, many were unscathed, then Ma’ribee, again, many untouched, however when the fitnah of ‘Alee Ḥasan al-Halabee struck, for many, this was a bridge to corrupt manhaj principles that they had never been exposed to previously. For some, it penetrated right through them without even raising a suspicion, due to their respect for Shaykh ‘Alee and their unyielding attention for him. Sadly concepts such as “Jarh wat-Ta’deel is Finished”, “Jarh wat-Ta’deel is for the science of Ḥadīth only”, “we correct but we do not refute”, “We do not boycott”, using the excuse ‘a scholar is not mahsoom (infallible)’ to reject a detailed and clear refutation and many other corrupt notions that oppose the usool of ad-da’watus-salafiyyah and the consensus of the Scholars, past and present, have consumed some of the youth, most unsuspectingly, so we draw your attention to the important series from Shaykh ‘Abdur-Rahmaan Sa’d Ibn Fathee az-Za’taree in which the following issues are discussed and refuted:


• 'Alee al-Halabee's contention against the obligation of accepting the narration of a trustworthy narrator when he informs about the innovators, but he accepts their news about narrators of ḥadīth.

• His differentiation between accepting information from trustworthy narrators about innovators and accepting narrations about chains of ḥadīth from the narrators of old.

• His veiled criticism of the major Scholars of our time by claiming that no one besides him has taken note of this differentiation and clarified it.

• His claims that the Jarh wat-Ta'deel of today has no connection to the Jarh wat-Ta'deel of the past.

• His claim that that al Jarh wat-Ta'deel exists today, but it has changed its direction and is done for the wrong reasons.

• His concealed attack upon the Salafīs and their Scholars when he claims that today everyone speaks about aI-Jarh wat-Ta'deel, regardless of whether they understand it or not.

• His continued praise for the callers to misguidance such as, 'Adnaan 'Ar'oor, Muhammad al-Maghraawee, Abū Ishaaq al-Huwaynee, Abūl-¬Ḥasan al-Ma’ribee and Muhammad Hassaan and his acceptance of Hassaan's and others' tawbahs even though they do not fulfil the conditions of tawbah.

• 'Alee al-Halabee upholds the mumayyi'ee principle of seeking a consensus from all the Scholars before declaring an individual an innovator.

• 'Alee al-Halabee's contention with the principle of Ahl al-Sunnah that the explained and elaborated criticism takes precedence over the general praise. Al-Halabee's claims that the Muftee praises Sayyid Qutb and quotes from his books, as do a number of Saudi Scholars.

• Mashhoor Ḥasan Salmaan's praise for Yoosuf al-Qardaawee and Sayyid Qutb.

• Al-Halabee's continued defence of Muhammad al-Maghraawee and his refusal to adopt the position of the Scholars against him.

• Al-Halabee's claim that one can have a sound 'aqīdah and still oppose a foundation of the manhaj - thus differentiating between 'aqīdah and manha j.

• 'Alee al-Halabee's continued defence of Jam'iyyah Ihyaa’ut-Turaath and his claim that they defend the 'aqīdah of Ahl al-Sunnah and aid the manhaj of Shaykh al-Albānī - raḥimahullāh.

• Refutation of 'Alee al-Halabee's innovated principle: It is not permissible for us to make our disagreement with someone else besides us into a disagreement between us.

• al-Halabee's continued disdain and belittlement for the science of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel.

• His rejection of the practice of the Salaf and the Salafīs in testing the people through their positions towards the Imāms of Ahl al-Sunnah.


The opinions of some of the people of knowledge concerning this refutation:

Shaykh Aḥmad Ibn 'Umar Bāzmool wrote,

“So may Allaah reward Shaykh Sa'd for this solid book and comprehensive refutation upon the statements of 'Alee al-Halabee that are evidently in opposition to the Salafī manhaj. “

He further stated,

“Indeed, I read this refutation in its entirety within one day, with the virtue of Allaah, and saw what was in it from principles and debating with fairness and justice. So I advise my brothers, the Salafīs, to not have bigotry and start defending the refuted one through curses and slanders. So by Allaah, everyone who opposes the truth and spreads this publicly and then is advised but does not recant, then it is obligatory upon the people of knowledge and their students to refute him. So if some of them establish that, then the blame is removed from the rest. So do not treat this communal obligation like it is a criminal act. Do not treat enjoining the good and prohibiting the evil like it is evil itself. And do not treat the one who refutes the opponent as if he is the opponent. “

Shaykh Hishaam Ibn Fahmee al-'Aarif stated,

“The new principles laid down by the one called 'Alee Ibn Ḥasan al-Halabee who has been described by the major Scholars as wretched and miserable, one who praises the misguided ones.

Indeed, our noble brother Sa'd Ibn Fathee az-Za'taree - may Allaah raise him in this world and in the Hereafter - has embarked to refute some of his nonsensical statements and corrupt principles. So he wrote this valuable treatise and titled it with the following title: Notification to the Intelligent about the Nonsensical Principles of 'Alee al-Halabee al-Miskeen. So he uncovered therein 'Alee al-Halabee's crooked principles, through which he wants to either confuse the beginner students of knowledge, or he wants to pacify his own ignorant, bigoted companions. Indeed, he has not ceased to assault and roam freely in the arena of ad-Da'watus-Salafiyyah. And how else could he be after hospitably receiving the fattaan (deceiver) [Muhammad] Ibn Hassaan?
And from that which the one named 'Alee al-Halabee has come with from invented principles, through which he desired to delude the youth who are inclined towards seeking beneficial knowledge. So he plays games with them in order to confuse the truth and to conceal it from them by watering down the manhaj of the Salaf, thereby entering them into the dark tunnels of the innovators.”

Shaykh Aḥmad Bāzmool replied to this saying,

“May Allaah reward Shaykh Hishaam al-'Aarif for his introduction to this treatise, which proves that he is 'aarif (knowledgeable) of the Salafī manhaj. “

The flag-bearer of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel in our times, al-'Allāmah Rabee' Ibn Hādī al-Madkhalī said,

“Indeed, I read the book in its entirety. Its author achieved excellence therein and he exposed al-Halabee in many, numerous issues and he followed up al-Halabee in it correctly. And it is a strong, knowledge-based refutation - maashaa` Allaahu ta'aalaa. May Allaah reward its author with the best of rewards.”


It is important for the reader to give full priority to the truth in this affair, to make the pleasure of Allaah ones goal and to not allow any personal affection or misplaced loyalty sway ones heart away from the daleel. The issues refuted are serious contentious problems which can open the doors to ahlul-bid'ah if implemented. One must be resilient in the face of emotional propaganda aimed at deluding the innocent one away from the evidences and towards rhetoric based arguments in making the affair seem personal or unimportant.

Notification to the Intelligent Concerning the Nonsensical Principles of ‘Alee al-Halabee al-Miskeen [4 Parts]

Shaykh Abū ‘Abdur-Rahmaan Sa’d Ibn Fathee az-Za’tree

www.sunnahpublishing.net/modules/Manhaj/tanbeehulfateen1.pdf
www.sunnahpublishing.net/modules/Manhaj/tanbeehulfateen2.pdf
www.sunnahpublishing.net/modules/Manhaj/tanbeehulfateen3.pdf
www.sunnahpublishing.net/modules/Manhaj/tanbeehulfateen4.pdf

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'Alee Ḥasan al-Halabee on the issue of Khabaruth-Thiqaat (news from the trustworhthy narrators) in comparison to the Salaf.

[2]: Shaykh al-Halabee said, "The term khabaruth-thiqah today is naturally another form from the forms of taqleed (blind-following) unfortunately."

I say: Indeed, your statement that accepting the news of the trustworthy narrator is taqleed has not been stated, except by the callers and supporters of taqleed. And this is a concealed revilement against the news of the trustworthy narrators in this time. How can it be taqleed when we accept your own statement about a khabar from the akhbaar! So your statement is not fair, nor is it just. And I ask you: Where is the Victorious Group (at-taa`ifatul¬mansoorah), which will not cease to exist up until the Day of Judgement? Is accepting their statements without asking them for proof due to their trustworthiness considered taqleed?!

As-San'aanee - - said, "And when you have come to know that this, you will realize that the one who accepts the khabaruth-thiqah in authentication of ḥadīth, then he is a mujtahjd in accepting his news, just as the rest of the reports are accepted from the trustworthy narrators, and he will not be a muqallid for accepting them."

...Ash-Shaafi' ee (d.204H) said after speaking about the topic of the news of one narrator from the Prophet (ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam), "And the rulers from the judges and other than them would pronounce judgements. So their judgements would be carried out and the prescribed punishments would be established. And their rulings were carried out afterwards and their rulings were news from them."

...So these Scholars, and many others besides them, have mentioned the term: khabaruth-thiqah. However, they did not differentiate in its application, contrary to the speech of Shaykh al-Halabee where he differentiates in applying this term. So he restricted the speech of the Scholars about khabaruth-thiqah to the topic of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel only. And if only he had informed us and elaborated for us how the acceptance of the khabaruth-thiqah occurs today, or how it is only a form from the forms of taqleed?!

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And we find some of the followers of Shaykh al-Halabee presenting the idea that so and so (i.e. Ma'ribee) has ta'deel, so they reject the jarh from various 'Ulamāʾ due to this - for those who have been around the block, this is simply a mutilation of the Ar'ooree concept of al-Muwaazinaat (the bid'ah of holding it obligatory to counterbalance the jarh (criticism) and the ta'deel (praise) of an individual) which was promoted by the followers of Khalid Ibn al-Waleed Masjid in the 90's to defend the people of Hizbiyyah they cooperated with such as Ar'oor. So these principles re-cloth themselves and re-appear, infecting the one who is unaware.

[4]: Shaykh al-Halabee said, "Nowadays, there is a shaykh who sees a student, or he sees a narrator, so due to his experience, he knows that this one is da'eef (weak), or he knows that he is thiqah (trustworthy). When I declare him trustworthy, it cannot be said to me: what is the proof for my tawtheeq (declaring trustworthy)?"


...Secondly: When this person doing the praise fulfills the conditions in regards to the one he is praising and he builds his ta'deel upon the apparent condition of the individual he is praising, but there is another Scholar who knows about (hidden) affairs that will make that praised individual a faasiq and this Scholar clarifies his wicked condition that makes him a faasiq, then should we not give precedence to the statement of this disparaging Scholar over the Scholar who praised the individual? So when we add to this that the praising Scholar did not fulfill the conditions required for ta'deel and tajreeh (disparagement) and that he assessed with false praises someone who manifested a corrupt condition, then this further supports the obligation of accepting the jarh and considering that false ta'deel to be invalid and built upon desire and false or doubtful assessments.

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The following principle would sever the connection between the Scholars and the common-folk with regards to 'who is upon salafiyyah and who is upon other than it' and instead leave it open to re-evaluation. Such that you will find some in Toronto who say openly, 'Jarh wat-Ta'deel is finished.'

[6]: Then he said, "However, is there a khabaruth-thiqah in the tabdee' (declaring an innovator) of a Sunnee or the tasleef (declaring Salafī) of an innovator? This has not been known in the history of al-Islām. The confusion about this affair has now become stronger and it is very strong. And with great regret, I have not seen anyone who is paying attention to it."

I say: Indeed, you have become arrogant in your claim that this was not known in the history of al-Islām. Rather, this manhaj was well-known and documented in the history books of Islām. No one denies it, except that he is an ignoramus or a hizbee conspirator who wants to abolish through these methods al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel, which is built upon the akhbaar of trustworthy narrators. So where are you from the akhbaar of Imāms of Islām in tabdee' of the innovators, which is documented in the general books of al-Jarh wat-Ta'deel and in the books of jarh specifically? From them is the book, ad-Du'afaa` of al-Bukhārī (d.256H) and the book ad-Du'afaa` wal-Matrookeen of an-Nisaa`ee (d.303H) and the book al¬Majrooheen of Ibn Hibbaan (d.354H) and ad-Du'afaa` of ad-Daaraqutnee and other than them from the Imāms. In these books, the Scholars declared innovators those who used to be upon the Sunnah, but when some innovations became apparent from them, the Scholars clearly declared them innovators and warned the people against them, such as Ya'qoob Ibn Shaybah and his likes from those who withheld concerning the Qur`aan.18 Imām Aḥmad (d.241H) and other than him declared them innovators. And do not forget al-Haarith al-Muhaasibee and his likes from those whom the Scholars of the Sunnah declared innovators. And there is no doubt that these innovators were better than the ones that al-Halabee protects and those for whom al-Halabee testifies that they are Salafiyyoon, in opposition to the Scholars of the Sunnah who have explained their corrupt principles and their misguidance and their allegiances with the people of innovation and the Scholars have fought against them. And if Shaykh al-Albānī (d.1420H) or Ibn Bāz (d.1420H) or Ibnul-'Uthaymīn (d.1421H) or other than them were to be asked about individuals, so they informed that these were from the people of innovation, so must we accept their speech? And the apparent meaning of your speech and those who agree with you is that you do not accept the speech of Ahl al-Sunnah in tabdee' of those who have deviated from the manhaj of the Salaf.

Therefore, with this manhaj (i.e. the manhaj of 'Alee al-Halabee) there are no people of innovation in existence today. And this is the manhaj of the Ikhwaanul-Muslimeen, "We co-operate in whatever we agree upon and we excuse (that is, we do not perform tabdee' of) each other in that which we differ about." And this is what Abūl-Ḥasan al-Ma'ribee revolves around. So he wants a vast manhaj that accommodates the entire Umrnah as well as Ahl al-Sunnah.

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The manhaj of the Salaf in dealing with those who oppose the Sunnah - An important benefit towards understanding how to deal with Ahlul-Bid'ah (i.e. not lending your ear to someone, fearing that it might be ill-mannered not to). Also, notice how the great Imām, Aḥmad Ibn Hanbal qouted a khabaruth-Thiqah (a trustworthy narrator) in his reason to reject adh-Dhaahiree, even when adh-Dhaahiree tried to free himself from wrong, in person!

So do we have these principles in dealing with our affairs, when one comes to us who has been refuted by the Scholars, yet we may sit with him fearing bad manners, listen to him speak or translate?

Dāwūd adh-Dhaahiree came to Baghdaad and between him and Imām Aḥmad was Ṣāliḥ the son of Aḥmad. So he spoke to Ṣāliḥ kindly and asked him to seek permission from his father to let him enter. So Ṣāliḥ came to his father and said to him, "There is a man who is asking me to enter upon you." He said, "What is his name?" He said, "Dāwūd." He said, "Where is he from?" He said, "He is from the people of Asbahaan." He said, "What work does he do?" And Ṣāliḥ kept evading making him known to his father. So Imām Aḥmad - Abū 'Abdullāh - kept scrutinizing him until he figured out who he was. So he said, "Indeed, Muhammad Ibn Yahyá adh-Dhuhalee has written to me about his affair that he claims the Qur`aan is newly-invented. So he cannot come near me." He said, "0 my father, he denies that and rejects it." So Abū 'Abdullāh said,"Muhammad Ibn Yahyá is more truthful than him. Do not grant him permission to visit me. And al-Fallaas said, "Arrir is abandoned, a person of innovation."'


Then there is the issue of placing personal friendship ahead of the principles of our deen (continuing to give ear to a old friend in issues of manhaj simply because he is a friend, not giving importance to protecting one's deen nor realising that just because you have a good friend, it doesn't mean he is a good advisor to you in your religion, and thus becoming confused or misled) - look how the Salaf behaved when it came to the affairs of this blessed deen.

And Abū Tawbah said, "Our companions informed us that Thawr met with al-Awzaa'ee (d.157H) and extended his hand towards him. So al-Awzaa'ee refused to shake his hand and said, "0 Thawr! If this were an affair of worldly life, we would be close, but it is a matter of Religion."'

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Indeed, the noble Shaykh al-Najmī was asked, "0 noble Shaykh! Many of the people do not verify and confirm in the matter of tabdee' and tafseeq (declaring someone a faasiq) and they hold the people accountable due to suspicion. Due to this, there is division amongst the Ummah of Islām, as has occurred during these times. So is there a straightforward instruction surrounding verification in the matter of tabdee' and tafseeq and takfee?? And must one return for that to the Scholars of this country? May Allaah grant you success and reward you with goodness."

So he replied, "There is no doubt that it is obligatory upon the person to verify and confirm the affair, because it is inevitable that you seek proof for such a statement, or you will be asked about it in front of Allaah the Mighty and Majestic. So everyone who speaks about the people, it is obligatory upon him to say something about which he is certain, if he is not, then he will be speaking of suspicion. As for the person who is silent, then it is said about this one that he is silent, he is not with these ones and he is not with those ones. Ahl al-Sunnah are known and the path of Salaf is known by their following their way upon this manhaj and loving its people and rallying around them under their banner. And there are people who have perhaps been deceived by people from the people of innovation who manifest goodness. However, behind this goodness is a hidden affair that many of the people do not know. So with regards to this one, the statement of those who know him is taken, if they are trustworthy. So when people from the leaders of the tribes came to the Prophet (ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam), he gave them a hundred camels, or fifty camels or sheep. A man came and said, "Indeed, the Face of Allaah is not desired by this division." So the Prophet (ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam) said, "Woe to you! I am trusted by He who is above the heavens, yet you do not trust me?" Meaning, Allaah has entrusted for the people of this earth, so he sent me to them. That is, He made me a Messenger to them and yet you do not trust me with something from the vanities of this world? So one of the Companions stood up and said, "Leave me to strike the neck of this hypocrite." So the Prophet (ṣallallāhu 'alayhi wa sallam) replied, "Indeed, there will come out of the loins of this one a people whom you will look down upon your own Prayer in comparison to their Prayer and you will look down upon your own fast in comparison to their fast and you will look down upon your own recitation in comparison to theirs. They will pass through the


An important point, considering there are some who say 'all of this affair (QSS/al-Halabee, al-Ma'ribee, al-Qoosee) is fitnah and we do not get involved' yet you will find these same people, in actuality, being the most vigilent in defending QSS (so where is your neutrality now?) and the most vicious in attacking the Salafīs. Day by day, night by night on the telephones, blogs, yahoogroups, emails and every other form of communication they can find, speaking about these issues, defending those whom the Scholars have spoke against, all the while, claiming to be neutral in this affair and claiming it is all fitnah anyway, no need to take a position (they only tell you 'it is all fitnah, everyone is Salafī' since you wouldn't accept their bashing of the 'Ulamāʾ at this juncture, so they throw you a hook that is palatable to you). These affairs are happening in your own back yard, how could it be that you do not need to investigate them and ascertain the truth? When the affair at hand is the most important of affairs - the protection of your religion. One may check the newspapers online daily, feeling in need of knowing the affairs yet in this regard, it is neither here nor there? Certainly our 'Aqīdah and Manhaj must be more beloved to us!
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